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> Merak Ediyorum....
Sizce öldürülmüş hayvan parcalari (et) yemek doğrumu?
Sizce öldürülmüş hayvan parcalari (et) yemek doğrumu?
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Access to 32 Countries and 54 locations, PPTP, L2TP, SSTP, OpenVPN Supported, openvpn service EarthVPNBen 8 yasimdan beri vejetaryanim vede merak ettim acaba benim gibi dusunen insanlar varmi burda....

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mesaj 18/11/2003, 17:40
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evet dooru.. özellikle kırmızı şarap ve az pişmiş bonfile yemek doğanın 1. kanunu smile.gif hep ot hep ot olmas.. protein laazım bünyeye smile.gif
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 17:58
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benım en yakın arkadaşım vejeteryan canım benim kaç sene sırf ben seviyorum die soya etli yemekler apardı, dışarda yediğimizde kokusundan bile nefret etmesine rağmen karşısın hapur hupur götürürdüm bişicikler demezdi şimdi londrada sad.gif , ayyy neyse çok ösledimde bende hayvanları çok seferim etik olarak düşündüğümde onları yemek çok vahşice geliyo ama bu vahşette sanırım doğanın bir kanunu yani denge dedikleri şey yememeyi becerenleri takdir ediyorum o ayrı......... wink.gif
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 18:03
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Bizim sevdiğimiz hayvanlar şirin kediler köpekler maymunlar kuşlar ne bilim, evcil hayvanlar işte hanginiz evinde inek besliyor yada tavuk hanginiz tavuğu yada ineği ay ne tatlı şeymiş diye sevdiniz ki..
Bende hayvanları çok severim ama o hayvarıları değil onlar evet açıkçası etinden sütünden yumurtasından yararlandığımız ,herşeyiyle besin kaynakları..
Yani hayvanları seviyorum diye et yememek bana saçma geliyor.
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 18:44
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QUOTE(Mood @ 18/11/2003, 06:03 PM)
Bizim sevdiğimiz hayvanlar şirin kediler köpekler maymunlar kuşlar ne bilim, evcil hayvanlar işte hanginiz evinde inek besliyor yada tavuk hanginiz tavuğu yada ineği ay ne tatlı şeymiş diye sevdiniz ki..
Bende hayvanları çok severim ama o hayvarıları değil onlar evet açıkçası etinden sütünden yumurtasından yararlandığımız ,herşeyiyle besin kaynakları..
Yani hayvanları seviyorum diye et yememek bana saçma geliyor.

Ben acikcasi hayvanlari seviyorum evt ama sevdigim icin yemiyorum diil... heralde haberin yok o hayvanlari sirf insanlar yesin diye urettiklerini...sanki canli diilmisler, gibi davranmalarini. Acimasizca ödürdüklerini.Bumu doğanin bi kanunu? Bir inek, bir kuzu, bir tavuk dogada kucucuk bir kafesin icinde........genelde hic bir zaman gunes isiği gormeyerek mi yasiyo peki? Bumu doğa?
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 18:49
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lutfen bi gidin bakın bu adrese:
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 18:53
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haklı olabilirsin ama sende fazla duygusal davranıyorsun sanırım?
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 18:59
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Gercekler bunlar iste....



If they survive the farms and transport, all egg-laying, dairy-producing, and wool-bearing animals
-- whether factory-farmed or free-range --
are slaughtered.

You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity.
Ralph Waldo Emerson "Fate", The Conduct of Life, 1860

Animals in slaughterhouses can smell, hear, and often see the slaughter of those before them. As the animals struggle, the human workers, who are pressured to keep the lines moving quickly, often react with impatience towards the animals.

Common mammal stunning methods:

Captive bolt stunning -- A "pistol" is set against the animal's head and a metal rod is thrust into the brain. Shooting a struggling animal is difficult, and the rod often misses its mark. A large number of slaughter plants must shoot at least 2 out of every 100 cows more than once to achieve unconsciousness. With line speeds up to 390 animals an hour, this can translate into a minimum of 62 cows per day feeling the high-force blow.(1)

Electric stunning – Electric current is used to produce a grand mal seizure, then the throat is cut and the animal bleeds to death. In a USDA survey, Professor of Animal Sciences, Temple Grandin, PhD, states, "Insufficient amperage can cause an animal to be paralyzed without losing sensibility."(2)

Ritual slaughter – Animals are fully conscious when their carotid arteries are cut. This is supposed to cause unconsciousness within seconds, but because of blood flow through the vertebral arteries in the back of the neck, some animals can remain conscious as they bleed for up to a minute.(3) Additionally, Temple Grandin, PhD notes “Unfortunately, there are some plants which use cruel methods of restraint such as hanging live animals upside down.”(4) This can cause broken bones as the heavy animal hangs by a chain attached to one leg.

The USDA oversees the treatment of animals in meat plants through meat inspectors. Arthur Hughes, Vice Chairman of the National Council of Food Inspection Locals, a union of 6,000 federal meat inspectors, states: “Drastic increases in production speeds, lack of support from supervisors in plants, new inspection policies which significantly reduce our enforcement authority, and little or no access to the areas of the plants where animals are killed, have significantly hampered our ability to ensure compliance with humane regulations.”(5)

Even when problems are reported by inspectors, the government often ignores them. For example, no action was taken against a Texas beef company despite 22 citations in 1998 for violations that included chopping the hooves off live cattle.(6)

An article in The Washington Post noted “Hogs, unlike cattle, are dunked in tanks of hot water after they are stunned to soften the hides for skinning. As a result, a botched slaughter condemns some hogs to being scalded and drowned. Secret videotape from an Iowa pork plant shows hogs squealing and kicking as they are being lowered into the water.”(6)

The Post also stated “It takes 25 minutes to turn a live steer into steak at the modern slaughterhouse where Ramon Moreno works….The cattle were supposed to be dead before they got to Moreno. But too often they weren't. ‘They blink. They make noises,’ he said softly. ‘The head moves, the eyes are wide and looking around.’ Still Moreno would cut. On bad days, he says, dozens of animals reached his station clearly alive and conscious. Some would survive as far as the tail cutter, the belly ripper, the hide puller. ‘They die,’ said Moreno, ‘piece by piece.’”(6)

In my opinion, if most urban meat-eaters were to visit an industrial broiler house, to see how the birds are raised, and could see the birds being 'harvested' and then being 'processed' in a poultry processing plant, they would not be impressed and some, perhaps many of them would swear off eating chicken and perhaps all meat.
Peter Cheeke, PhD Contemporary Issues in Animal Agriculture, 1999

On May 24, 2000, King5.com new service in Seattle, WA, broke a story about undercover footage taken at a nearby IBP slaughterhouse. According to their report, “The video shows fallen cows being trampled and dragged, others are tortured with electric prods. One cow has fallen and workers stick an electric prod on its head, then place the prod down its mouth. Still other cows are hung on chains, fully conscious, blinking and kicking. The worker who shot the tape said one cow was already at a station where legs are removed. ‘It would be horrible if someone were to cut off your leg without anesthesia.’”(7)

According to Steve Cockerham, a USDA inspector at Nebraska slaughterhouses, and former USDA veterinarian Lester Friedlander, some U.S. slaughterhouses routinely skin live cattle, immerse squealing pigs in scalding water, and abuse still-conscious animals in other ways to keep production lines moving quickly. The men stated that the federal law requiring slaughterhouses to kill animals humanely has been increasingly ignored as meat plants grow bigger. Cockerham said that he often saw plant workers cut the feet, ears, and udders off cattle that were conscious on the production line after stun guns failed to work properly. "They were still blinking and moving. It's a sickening thing to see," he said.(8)

Investigator Gail Eisnitz writes about widespread violations of the Humane Slaughter Act in her 1997 book Slaughterhouse.(9) One of many such stories: “It was a plant where squealing hogs were left straddling the restrainer and dangling live by one leg when workers left the stick pit for their half-hour lunch breaks; where stunners were shocking hogs three and four times…where thousands of squealing hogs were immersed in the plant’s scalding tank alive.”

In Slaughterhouse, an anonymous veteran USDA meat inspector from Texas describes what he has seen: “Cattle dragged and choked…Knocking ‘em four, five, ten times. Every now and then when they’re stunned they come back to life, and they’re up there agonizing. They’re supposed to be restunned but sometimes they aren’t and they’ll go through the skinning process alive. I’ve worked in four large [slaughterhouses] and a bunch of small ones. They’re all the same. If people were to see this, they’d probably feel really bad about it. But in a packing house everybody gets so used to it that it doesn’t mean anything.”

Dave Carney, 1997 Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals, states, “These large slaughtering operations are primarily concerned with productivity and profit. They don’t care about the effects on the animals. It’s as if they’re not even killing animals. They’re “disassembling” them, processing raw materials in a manufacturing operation.”(9)

Birds
Common birds slaughtering methods:

No stunning -- Farm Sanctuary has videotaped fully-conscious chickens having their throats cut and being stuffed into canisters to bleed. Some chickens escape and walk around while bleeding to death.(10)

Electrical stunning -- Although the slaughter of birds is exempt from federal law, electric stunning is normally used to induce paralysis for ease of handling. There is considerable debate as to whether stunning renders the birds unconscious, or merely paralyzed.(11) The shock may be an "intensely painful experience".(12) (Visit United Poultry Concerns for more information on electrical stunning of birds).

Each year, large numbers of chickens, turkeys, ducks, and geese reach the scalding tank alive and are either scalded to death or drowned.(13) (14)

Animals are God's creatures, not human property, nor utilities, nor resources, nor commodities, but precious beings in God's sight.
Rev. Andrew Linzey Oxford University, Animal Theology, 1995

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mesaj 18/11/2003, 19:08
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Bırılerı dogal olmayan yollarla onları cıftlestırıp cogaltıp kesıp kasaplara yolluyor doganın parcalarını degıl kendı urunlerını yıyor ınsanlar olaya o acıdan bakmayın Guzel seyler bunlar Et yenılmelıdır bence canlı olarak bakıldıgında biyolojide hepsının yerı vardır otlarında tabıkı bu dongude yerlerı var onlarıda yeme sen bisküvi felan ye
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mesaj 18/11/2003, 19:40
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eğer izin verirsek bence onlar da bizi yer,mesela bir kaplan çok rahat bi insanı midesine indirebilir ...ehehe tabi bu işin geyiği.

ama insan et yiyen bir hayvandır,bunu da doğal olarak yapar.

ayrıcana leziz de...
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